Install Vista on a MacBook WITHOUT BootCamp

It’s no secret that I love Apple laptops but I much prefer Vista over OS X.  I’ve upgraded to a MacBook Pro and wanted to see if I could get Windows Vista to install on my old 13″ MacBook without using BootCamp.

The following method worked for me using a Windows Vista DVD with Service Pack 1.  I did a fresh install of OS X 10.4 Tiger before doing this.  (Sorry the pictures are wonky – I’m not great at shooting screen shots with my camera.)

Your mileage may vary.  Proceed at your own risk:

Insert Mac OS X Install Disc (this part should work with OS X 10.4 Tiger or OS X 10.5 Leopard discs).

Reboot.  Hold down C key during reboot.

Do not start the install.  From the Utilities menu, select Disk Utility.

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Select your hard drive from the list and then click the Partition tab / button.

Click the Options button and select “Master Boot Record” as the partition scheme.  Click OK.

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From the Volume Scheme drop down list, select 1 Partition.  Select MS-DOS (FAT) for the format (not that this matters since you will reformat it using NTFS during the Vista install).

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Click Apply.

Reboot.  Hold down the Alt/Option key turning reboot.

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When the graphical boot menu appears, hit the eject button.  Take out the OS X Install Disc and put in your Vista with SP1 install disc.

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If a Windows DVD icon does not appear, reboot and hold down Alt/Option during reboot.

When the Windows DVD icon appears in the graphical boot menu, hit Enter to select it.

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Proceed through the Vista install.

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When you come to screen titled “Where do you want to install Windows,” select Disk 0.

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There will be a message saying that you cannot install to that disk because it is not formatted using NTFS.

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Click the Drive Options link.  Click the Format link.  Click OK in the confirmation dialog.

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Now select Disk 0 and click Next.

The Vista installation should proceed as normal.

Once Windows is installed and loaded, insert an OS X 10.5 Leopard disc and install the Windows drivers from Apple. If you do not have access to an OS X 10.5 Leopard disc, your mileage may vary in getting all the hardware to work.  (Note:  I used the Leopard disc from my MacBook Pro to install the drivers for on the old MacBook.  Worked like a charm.)

If this works for you, please leave me a comment here.  If it didn’t work, please leave a comment describing what happened.


  160 comments for “Install Vista on a MacBook WITHOUT BootCamp

  1. Tom Whitaker
    July 4, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    Oh I see now – the drivers are nothing to do with Boot Camp in OSX – you just install the drivers in Windows off the OSX disc. Still couldn’t get a tap-to-click though and the thing ran hot, so I’m giving up and going back to my ugly Dell.

  2. Hubert
    July 9, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    You did this just to save on disc space, or was there something else that you didn’t like about Bootcamp?

  3. Derek Hatchard
    July 9, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    @Hubert, it was because I didn’t have BootCamp. BootCamp was available as a time-limited pre-release for OS X 10.4 (Tiger). When OS X 10.5 shipped, it came with BootCamp and the beta for 10.4 was killed.

    I tried this because I didn’t want to pay for OS X 10.5 just to get BootCamp. I originally bought the MacBook only because BootCamp was available as an option. Apple had not announced at the time that it would not be a free utility for 10.4 users.

  4. Doug
    July 27, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    I did this on a brand new macbook pro (mid-2009) to have a separate hard drive for some sensitive work stuff, and it works – for the most part. Thanks!

    But, I tried to get the drivers to work using the Leopard disks and couldn’t get all the drivers (functions keys, Ctrl-alt-del to logon (used the screen keyboard for this), trackpad right-click, eject). I tried to find all the needed drivers by navigating and couldn’t find all of them. I tried running the autorun, but bootcamp had errors and quit.

    Any ideas?

  5. Doug
    July 29, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    Ok, I figured out some things. I uninstalled an older version of boot camp (I had brought a Vista partition over from an older macbook pro to my new mid-2009 macbook pro) and then installed then ran the setup.exe file on my new Mac OSX Install DVD and everything installed.

    I now can eject, Ctrl-Alt-Del, tap-to-click, rt. click, use my function keys to adjust brightness, but my USB still runs super slow. Slow like 24 hours to back up 40GB slow.

    I also can’t run Windows Update which is probably a totally unrelated problem, but may be what is not letting me install all the USB drivers I need.

  6. Jim
    August 4, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    How’s the battery life installing Vista without BootCamp? With Bootcamp and XP or Vista, it’s horrible compared to OS X. I’m just wondering if bypassing BootCamp allows Windows Power Management to function correctly and extend battery life longer than 1-1.5 hrs.

  7. Derek Hatchard
    August 4, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    @Jim, it’s been a while since I tested it, but battery life was comparable when I first did this. My wife has been using the MacBook for 8+ months and the battery life still seems to be decent. One tip: try downloading Vista Battery Saver.

  8. Yazz
    August 6, 2009 at 10:31 am

    I used your method to install XP on my MacBook Pro without having OSX, so I can use the full diskspace for my Windows installation and my files, and it worked like a charm! After installing XP, I installed BootCamp (in Windows) from my OSX install disk to get all the drivers working smoothly in Windows. So far everything works great.

  9. Yavor
    August 25, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    I can tell you 1 thing from experience – DO NOT INSTALL BOOTCAMP! I mean it! The only thing you need are the drivers for the keyboard, wifi, Lan nic and Intel Chipset (Get it from Intel)

    First the drivers that Apple provide are shit. They are not even from the manufacturer of the hardware – apple has done some modifications on them to support their features. For example the video card. It is from intel chipset and it has a very nice driver up to date from Intel website even for Windows 7. If you install Apple shit you wont be able to play even minesweeper – there is a huge graphics performance hit. I am with the driver from Intel and it works like a charm. Also a lot of people are complaynig that vista hangs and ends in a BSOD when shutting down. I had this several times. Then I reinstalled windows without bootcamp and now everything is fine.

    I can tell you 1 thing for sure – Apple are providing fucked up drivers for vista just to say – look how bad Vista is – stay on Mac. Bud actually Vista is not bad – provided it has good drivers. Macs work fine on Apple OS because they are made for their hardware. How many unmodified Leopards have you seen running on a casual PC? I will let you think on that, Yavor! Cheers!

  10. jan
    August 26, 2009 at 4:19 am

    I did all what was described up above, but when I get to “Select CD-ROM Boot Type:” screen, my keyboard is dead. I have MacBook Pro with 4 gigs of RAM and quad proc.

  11. jan
    August 26, 2009 at 6:04 am

    Found a solution. It was a bad Vista x64 install ISO. One can correct it by using procedure found at this site: http://blog.aproductofsociety.org/?p=13
    All the drivers can be obtained by reading stuff on following site: http://blog.andersonshatch.com/2008/04/13/macbook-pro-and-vista-64-bit/

    Enjoy !

  12. September 6, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    lol i did the same a while back and works great tho i install window 7 instead of vista VISTA GAY LOL but if you finding away to stop it from overheating which its not just because the core get to 50 degrees it NORMAL lol but if you really want it cooler then download a program called “input remapper” works perfectly

  13. Antiquity
    October 10, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    @Yavor: I would say that your theories that Apple’s boot camp driver packages are altered to surreptitiously sabotage Vista’s performance are a bit far-fetched, but your points that boot camp really isn’t essential are actually quite accurate.

  14. Kingkongballs
    October 11, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    I tried this after my new/refurb macbook failed to load OSX from a backup i made, and i got 7, XP and Vista on without a single problem – however what’s happening now is when i go online, the system crashes.
    I might be lucky enough to stay within a browser for 10 minutes before it crashes the whole system.
    If my luck continues, it will unfreeze and i can get another 3 minutes before it locks up, otherwise i’m presented with the blue screen & a crash dump message.

    Do you think maybe within OSX’s updates, there is something that corrects this problem? The laptop was fine with OSX, just with any version of windows it’s giving me hell.

  15. Tyler
    October 23, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    Do you still have OS X installed at the same time? Or is it on a different partion (i’m guessing partion 1)? As you can see, I’m new to this.

  16. Derek Hatchard
    October 23, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Tyler, OS X will not be installed after this. If you want OS X and Windows, you need to use BootCamp.

  17. ektor
    November 6, 2009 at 3:08 am

    somebody help me
    when i insert the windows disc after pressing alt while rebootin my cd is ejected n i just can c a black cursor n the white screen

  18. liang
    November 26, 2009 at 7:04 am

    Technically, can I use my Macbook Pro 15″ Leopard Disc and overwrite the OSX 10.4 on my Macbook without a license and then run Bootcamp from the Macbook and install Windows 7?

  19. laurence
    November 29, 2009 at 2:48 am

    Thanks for the great details. I’ve successfully used the method to put Windows 7 on my Intel MacMini and iMac.

  20. Travis
    December 8, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    I’m going to do this, but I’m going to partition my hard drive.
    I can then install OS X on one, and Windows on the other, right?
    See, my problem is that I’ve been running windows on a virtual machine and it doesn’t take advantage of my macbook’s graphics card. It instead uses “simulated” 3d graphics, w/e that means.
    My question is: Will my plan work? Can I have my cake AND eat it too?
    Because I still want osx. I just want to boot into osx or windows separately. trick the computer into thinking it’s two people?

  21. Derek Hatchard
    December 8, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    Travis, if you want both OS X and Windows, you should use BootCamp rather than the technique documented here.

  22. Travis
    December 10, 2009 at 4:54 am

    That’s what I don’t want to do.
    Does Bootcamp take advantage of my computer’s graphics card?
    Because I have VMWare Fusion
    and it doesn’t.
    It uses a simulated graphics card that can’t compete with the Macbook’s, and I’m in college for video games. I have to have 3d.
    So yea… Will it work? I can partition my hard drive and install both, right?
    Because, like I said; if bootcamp doesn’t use my graphics card then I don’t want it.

  23. December 10, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    @ Travis
    Windows in Bootcamp uses your GPU normally. It’s totally different to running a VM which uses a “virtual” GPU taken from the VM’s memory.
    Windows in Bootcamp is not virtualized, it runs as normal – Vista runs very well on my Macbook.

  24. Travis
    December 10, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    OH!
    Well.
    That’s my only beef with VMware.
    If Bootcamp uses my graphics card then…
    AWESOME!

    Wth’s the point of VMware then?
    lol

  25. Nick
    December 11, 2009 at 2:27 am

    The problem I am having is that I cannot read from the OSX Tiger 10.4 disc in Windows. It seems that 10.5 and higher is much more adaptable to installing Windows on a Mac.

    Is there any way to create this Mac Driver disk without bootcamp (as the old version of bootcamp is no longer avaliable).

  26. Travis
    December 12, 2009 at 8:19 am

    seriously, i want to know.
    what the hell’s the point of VMware then?

  27. December 19, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    VMWare and Parallels Desktop integrates Windows Vista or 7 with MacOS X

  28. Mark
    January 2, 2010 at 1:46 am

    Hey guys, i got a bit of a problem.

    I got a macbook through work and dont have the osx disk. (dont worry, i DO have mac admin pass.)
    Without knowing i needed the disk, i created a second partition (through bootcamp) and installed windows xp.
    Using the mac startup utilities menu, i told it to reboot on the windows partition. Now i cant get back to the mac partition. windows cant even find it.
    Pressing apple+s on startup does nothing.
    Pressing F8 gets you into windows advanced starup options.

    Please help me!!
    Mark

  29. January 4, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    Worked a treat for me on a new MacBook Pro (or whatever it’s called) using leopard 10.5 and Vista SP1 DVDs. An earlier bootcamp install was giving a BSOD on shutdown, and wifi was shonky.

    This has sorted it out nicely – thanks Derek!

    I am slightly concerned by a couple of posts here saying that the OSX install disk Vista drivers are a bit dodgy. If that’s the case, where can we locate better drivers for Vista, if at all possible?

  30. yain
    January 9, 2010 at 5:56 am

    When I click apply to partition in the first part, it says that partitioning will permanently erase all the data from the disk, meaning my current hard drive… is that supposed to pop up? And will it really delete my hard drive?

  31. jaco
    January 10, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    for me everything seemed to be fine until I start to format to FSNT: when it gets to 2% it does not proceed any more. (I have been waiting for more than 30 minutes now)
    Any hint?
    Thanks, Jacopo

  32. thanar
    January 13, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    Mark, just press OPTION while restarting. It will present you with a GUI to select the OS you want.

  33. selva
    January 30, 2010 at 11:34 am

    For me it is entirely different! because i don’t have leopard installation disk and want install windows 7 on my macbook without using boot camp.

    Here, what i did in my macbook late 2006 edition.
    Step 1.
    Open you Tiger, go to terminal window, type the command
    “sudo diskutil resizevolume disk0s2 50G” (if you have one partition, even if you don’t know, just carryout, since always macbook have one System partition, one EFI Partition)
    the above command shrink you mac OS X system partition to 50GB, if you want to keep your mac OS X system partition more space, simply modify the numeric part like “XXG”.

    Step 2.
    if it is successful (it must succeed to carry on further), then reboot your system using any Ubuntu live boot CD, for that you have to press & hold “C” before boing/bang sound in the boot sequence. (Forced boot from CD/DVD). After boot, go to system preference, administrative tools menu, click disk utility, Create new partition in FAT/NTFS file system and exit (if you want more than one partition, you can create here, but need only on NTFS/FAT partition)
    The Step 2 is obsoletely necessary since, windows 7 / vista is not capable of creating partition in EFI (GUID boot) systems.

    if both step 1 & 2 is success then you are ready to proceed installing windows 7 / Vista / XP (prefer windows 7, since, it automatically recognize most of the mac hardwares, including Airport, nothing but WLAN)

    shutdown the ubuntu, it will automatically eject CD and it will ask to press enter key to shutdown. now put your windows boot DVD into drive & proceed to shutdown.

    Step 3.
    turn on the macbook while holding Alt/Option Key before boing/bank sound for 5 to 10 seconds and release. you will come up with graphic interface, now select windows CD icon. Then the windows 7 installation will begin. If the above procedure not working then hold down the “C” key while turn on your mac (Forced boot from CD/DVD??)

    In installation menu select custom (Advanced), then select the FAT/NTFS partition we created in ubuntu, if if is NTFS no need to format, if it is FAT then format in NTFS file system. hereon everthing else is windows straight forwards procedure. when installation complete the windows 7 installation reboot. but don’t expect the macbook straightaway boot in windows 7, so prepared to holddown the alt/option key to boot windows, now you can see 2 harddrive icon in boot menu select the one says “windows” & complete the installation of windows 7 and again it will reboot and press & holdown for few seconds the option key and boot windows.

    Now it will prepare windows for first time use.
    Straightaway go to control panel press windows update. you may have some updates in optional component, like hardware, intel board infs etc, not necessarily the language component. complete it.

    That’s it. you have working windows 7 OS in Mac.

    Ps. some hardware like sound may not work, but graphic, Wi-fi (WLAN), LAN will perfectly work (95% of the hardwares). you can always google it for work around.

    You always to press option button to enter windows 7, otherwise your system automatically boot in Mac OS X.

  34. Ramona
    January 30, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    hi Derek!

    Could you help me I have a macbook pro and once I deleted mac osx which was originally installed when I bought it. I would very like you to help me. I would like to install mac osx and vista as well with boot camp but once I could do that but I forgot how and when I try it and the end put my vista and would like to install it it says that NTFS could not installed or something like that.

    I would be more than grateful if you could tell me step by step how should i do it.

  35. heckler01
    February 2, 2010 at 10:00 am

    Hi Derek,
    I installed like the way you said to, but on start up, between the white screen and the windows start up screen, is get a black screen with the flashing white bar on the top left hand corner (similar to what you would see on command prompt). Is this normal? It’s annoying because it seems like there is an added delay for no reason.

  36. Billy
    February 3, 2010 at 2:18 am

    Hi,
    I am lil confused with this. If I use MBR scheme would I still be able to install OSX on it or not? I guess OSX doesnt work on MBR partition table. It has to GUIDED or Apple. Please help.

  37. Kevin
    February 7, 2010 at 12:02 am

    Billy,
    You need GPT “GUID Partition Table” to use OSX. You need MBR for windows. To run both you need a bootloader like refit. Instal refit from within OSX then you can access both OSX and Windows partitions.

  38. Manicman
    April 18, 2010 at 9:52 am

    I don’t think anyone has stated this here but for your first 3 screenshots you should have used the in-built Mac screenshot capture which would have helped to avoid the wonky camera work (SHIFT-CMD-3 or SHIFT-CMD-4) depending on whether you wanted full or partial capture of the screen.

  39. John
    April 26, 2010 at 10:52 am

    My iMAC came from an ex-lease re-seller wthout the MAC OS (HDD erased and no OS disks). I just droped a Windows 7 DVD in the drive and hit install. Everythng works except the speakers (sound out thru the rear jack is fine). I’ll ether get some powered speakers or borrow an OSX disk for drivers.

  40. KiltBear
    June 4, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    @Travis, vmware (and parallels) let you boot into OSX and the have windows running AT THE SAME TIME as OSX. You can choose to have it in a window, or in coherence mode where the windows overlap. VMWare creates a “virtual machine” that Windows is running on.

    In bootcamp you boot directly into windows. No OSX is running. It’s just like any other PC then. If you need both OSX and windows and you don’t want to have to shutdown and reboot to switch between the two OSes, you use vmware/parallels/virtualbox.

  41. joe
    June 22, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    when your done with this can you just reboot and you can pick OSX and windows? or will it be a forever pc computer. Also i have another question, do you have to have the OSX disk in when you want OSX or will both of the operating systems will be on the hard drive so you don’t need any disks?

  42. Joe B
    June 27, 2010 at 12:18 am

    I have a mid 2010 mini mac server runnings windows 7 within parallels and works great. However, I need a bootcamp of windows on the 2nd hard drive to connect with a software defined radio that requires a firewire connection (firewire does not work from within parallels).

    Because the mid 2010mini mac server has OSX server, it does not have a bootcamp function. Parallels can only ass OSX server as a VM, not OSX (if I could get a VM of 10.6, then it would have bootcamp, and I could try to get my native windows drive that way). But failed, OSX non-server not supported by parallels.

    I came up this thread, and now wonder if I can use your method to install windows on the second (and empty) hard drive and duplicate what bootcamp will do. However, my OSX serve install discs won’t have any windows drivers. Does anyone know if the $30 10.4.6 snow leopard upgrade disk will have the windows drives I will need?

  43. June 27, 2010 at 4:02 am

    Worked perfectly for me thanks alot made my life a whole lot easier 🙂

  44. Please help me
    July 25, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    I tried to format macintosh OS to windows 7 on my imac so it was installing cool suddenly it was stopped at 44% it showed about 12hours and i unpluged it because wont change next time i tried to switch on my imac but i see my screen just white and i want to take my windows 7 boot cd from cd rom but cant how can i fix it please help me somebody

  45. Wafik
    July 27, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Thank you very much.. Worked 100%… on Windows 7!!

  46. mutantx7
    August 11, 2010 at 9:55 am

    Guys, one question its a stupid one, but how do you “reboot” the macbook?

  47. Shaka
    August 18, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    This procedure really works.
    Except that when I got to the format window things did’nt work out for me.
    Instead I deleted the drive and created a new one, it accepted and I continued with the instalation.

    Guess what, the thing can also work with Windows XP Pro SP1.
    Thanks man!!
    Will hear from you soon

  48. Shaka
    August 18, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Ok, I have another problem.
    My Mackbook over heats almost to untouchable levels when am installing and later goes off.
    It has of now refused to boot from OS X CD2 and instead gives me an error message.
    And requests me to shut down and restart the installation fresh.
    This is done repeatedly.

    What can I do?

  49. Ken
    August 21, 2010 at 12:13 am

    hi there,

    I am using mac pro 15″ with icore7. I want to install window 7 on it but I have lost the disc of mac os. Can I still do it without the Mac OS disc??? and howw??? thanks a lot

  50. Tigger
    August 30, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    I used this procedure to instal Ubuntu 10.4 natively on a Mac Pro with success.

    Thanks.

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